OK to Invade Iran?

John,

You are not alone, my "leeberal" friend. We are so outraged, we are about outraged out. In fact, there appears to be an epidemic of outrage fatigue among liberals in this country. This according to next week's Onion calender headline...

But despair is not an option. Get out of the house, and get active. You've already done the first step by contributing to this forum. Now go to your local democratic meeting, and take over the party!

I'd like to add that I am not a registered democrat so I don't know how I got on Levin's list, however I voted against every republican because they, in my view, have all been in lock step with those that I feel are destroying this country.  I have however, written my congressmen and even congressmen that were from other states many times.  The puppets in this state have merely sent me standard replies attempting to justify their support of all the criminal actions.

I think the democrats this year, for the most part, are gutless wonders and talk the talk but are very slow in walking the walk.  Taking things "off the table" because they fear not having the votes or fear retribution or fear the bogey man or whatever, is, for me, a prime example of a gutless wonder. 

I was an army recruiter during the Viet Nam conflict and saw college students in the street yelling "one two three four we don't want your f***ing war" and "Hell no we won't go" but I think it was mainly because back then this country had a draft and they were personally involved.  That's why I believe that Rangel made noise about a draft.  If there were a draft I think we would see people in the streets screaming.

I see bitching about all the illegal actions that these clowns are getting away with but I don't really see outrage.  (On second thought I do hear the outrage I feel when I listen to Mike Malloy.)  Compare the protests about Viet Nam to today and you will notice the difference between concern and outrage.  It's like the difference between concern and panic.  Concern is the first time you can't get it up the second time and Panic is the second time you can't get it up the first time.

I am so ashamed right now of this country and I would like to be proud of my country again.  After what I've seen and learned about Abu Graib and seen the lack of reaction from everyone I get sick to my stomach.  All those atrocities that happened are laid at the feet of a few low ranking soldiers and the female General that tried to stop it?  This whole thing is disgraceful. 

Truman said "The Buck stops here"  and this clown says "The Buck stops there". 

 No Bush should not Invade Iran. They have a new kid on the block with old time experience trying to sort things out. Why is it only this Country is accused of torture? Do the insurgents torture? Are they justified killing their own people just because we are there? There seems to be no outrage about them killing their own people because it is "their business"? No, I don't think so.

In the Washington Post was the column about the brother saying his brother wound up at Guantanamo. The US said he tried to hang himself. The Muslims said it was because he was beaten by guards and deprived his brain of oxygen. Now they want compensation and the "truth" from the Americans.

COMMENT:

The Washington Post does not mention how Tariq Shallah Hasan Al Alawi Al Harbi, from Medina, Saudi Arabia, born sometime in 1983, managed to become Guatanamo detainee #265. Instead, their Foreign Service reporter, Faiza Saleh Ambah, only refers to him as Mishal al-Harbi and relies heavily upon his family’s assertion that he was abused while a detainee in Guantanamo. While he admits going to Afghanistan, “for jihad, for the sake of God,” the Post leaves out al-Harbi’s March 2005 Combatant Status Review Tribunal pdf format pages 65 through 67: The following primary factors favor continued detention: a. Commitment Through the internet, the detainee read about a fatwa issued by Sheik Hamood al Okla. The fatwa stated every Muslim should go to Afghanistan AF to fight the Northern Alliance troops. The detainee decided to go to Afghanistan in order to obey the fatwa. Sheik Hamud al Uqqla is a Saudi Mufti who issued fatwas, including a fatwa calling for jihad in Afghanistan, and encouraged people to fight Jihad against Christians and Jews. Al Uqqla condoned the 11 Sep 01 attacks against the United States. In addition, he helped raise money for Usama Bin Laden until his death in Saudi Arabia in 2001. In June 2001, the detainee voluntarily traveled from Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan for the purpose of fighting the Northern Alliance. b. Training The detainee was captured with a Casio F91W watch. This model has been used in bombings that have been linked to al Qaida and radical Islamic terrorist improvised explosive devices. After arriving in Afghanistan, the detainee trained at the al Farouq training camp. At the al Farouq training camp, he received training on the Kalashnikov rifle and pistols. c. Connections/Associations Detainee name was on a list of names of captured Mujahidin found on a hard drive associated with a senior al Qaida member. The hard drive was seized on 1 March 2003 in Pakistan. Detainee’s name was found on a file recovered from a computer server hard drive seized in a suspected Al Qaida safehouse in Pakistan. His name was part of a list of Arabs incarcerated in Pakistan. The data was recorded sometime between 31 March 2001 and 22 January 2002. The detainee’s name was found on a document retrieved in Afghanistan in March 2002. The document listed the names of Al Qaida martyrs, those missing in action, those imprisoned, and those who had escaped to Pakistan. In Quetta, Pakistan, detainee met some Taliban on the street who led the detainee to a guesthouse in Qandahar, where he stayed for a week of questioning and was then sent to the “Faruk camp” for training. d. Other Relevant Data The detainee was apprehended by Pakistani Police when he attempted to cross the Pakistani border. He was then transferred to U.S. custody. In other words, Mishal al-Harbi, aka Tariq Shallah Hasan Al Alawi Al Harbi: went to join the Jihad, before 9/11, against Christians and Jews received weapons training at al Qaeda’s Al Farouq camp where four of the 9/11 hijackers, the Buffalo Six, and the “Australian Taliban” David Hicks all trained and was captured when the US invaded, the Taliban he was fighting for were routed, and he attempted to escape into Pakistan. That is how Mishal al-Harbi, aka Tariq Shallah Hasan Al Alawi Al Harbi, became Guantanamo’s detainee #265. While there, he tried to hang himself and spent months in an American hospital. In July 2005, he was apparently assessed to no longer be a threat to the United States, was released to Saudi Arabia, and returned home to Medina nine months later. Al-Harbi retains his ‘unlawful combatant’ status. Now his family wants compensation and the “truth” from the American government.

By SgtSumner

 Following up on that. Yes, there was torture at Guantanamo and probably everywhere else to a degree. But what is the deal on who you believe? Who do you people believe? Al Jadreary and all the other anti- American people over there? It's funny. Just like in the jails in Maricopa County(yep, their all innocent you know). I don't have fricken air conditioning either so WHY IN THE HELL SHOULD THEY?

I get by and I don't expect luxury quarters and I don't commit crimes. No one here has ever told me why the Insurgents crimes against their own people are never villified. "The Americans made me kill my own brethren". " The Americans made me go to that training camp for terrorist because I was so angry". The Americans made me teach my young brothers and sisters to strap bombs on themselves and kill the evil infidel, along with my own". Give me a fricken break!  Sunni, s***e, Kurds, aren't they all Iraqis and why is it that Palestinians don't kill each other to somehow make Israel bow down and leave the occupied territory? Maybe because Palestinians are taking their medication and controlling their psychoses unlike the Al-Quaida or Jihad or Insurgents.

Some of the silliest, most inexcusable statements I ever hear is when people basically say the Americans are responsible for Al-quaida further disrupting it's own Country where a government is continually sabotaged.  Beyond belief.

 Again, there was torture. No one is denying that. But to what extent? I was an MP at Fort Ord working in the stockade from 1969 to 1971. I saw some bad stuff going on to American prisoners by Americans. Things were kept hush hush and there were no means to disclose things then as much as now. But there were only a few. If Don Baker, Douglas Holzhauer, and Sgt. Hendry see this sue me. You were a sadistic bunch of SOB's. Remember that night in the barracks when you guys(wait, animals), were sweating bullets for what you did and you were worried about the IG during the investigation?? I hope you guys  rot in hell.

I am not trying to accomplish anything dramatic here. There is nothing to accomplish. But I have always been tired of the Bush administration being villified for their misdeeds and Al-Quaida not, especillay when they are killing their own.